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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 553 for the 26th of May

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2019

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Richardson is here with you from Sydney

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Australia Sydney Australia's having a

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long late sort of nice autumn not too

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hot not cold I could get used to this we

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could use the little rain I think maybe

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we can organise for the government to

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send over some aircraft to help change

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the weather and that's a topic we'll be

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talking about next week on the sceptics

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own chemtrails but what's coming up this

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week this week we talk about something

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equally as ludicrous homeopathy and the

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Center for inquiry in the United States

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have launched legal action against

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Walmart now those of you in North

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America of course very familiar with

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it's one of the largest outfits one of

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the largest companies in the United

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States it's like a super duper ultra

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cheap department store in fact it is a

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super duper ultra cheap department store

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anyway they've been selling homeopathy

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so the Center for inquiry has taken them

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to task and launched a lawsuit we speak

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to nicholas little vice-president of CF

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i and their legal counsel and that

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includes the text of the the press

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announcement of this lawsuit following

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that from the pages of the skeptic

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magazine the ghost tour of haunted

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melbourne this comes to us from 1999

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through skeptics discover any ghosts in

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Melbourne probably not but we'll bring

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you that story a bit later on in the

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show also in this week's show a visit to

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Maenads

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international studios annex here in

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Sydney where we discuss the recent

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federal election here in Australia with

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reference regarding the results of the

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imop party

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I mop the involuntary medication

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objectors party specifically they object

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to vaccinations and fluidization of the

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water I mop well maybe that's what they

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could be doing now it might be of more

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use included in the story of I mop we

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interview Brian Dunning from skeptoid

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media and the skeptoid podcast about his

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thoughts on our recent election and also

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an update on his own project science

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friction and around off the show a short

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report from my local newspaper the inner

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West courier here in Sydney Council to

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declare anti-vaxxer or and this is a

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story on the local council and their

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action against anti-vaxxers listen out

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for our new promotion regarding the Surf

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Coast spring skeptic camp in Victoria at

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aireys inlet but for now it's time for

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me to run downstairs and have some

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cattle mich boggle while I do that I

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hope you enjoy the skeptic zones

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now if we were to compile our top 10

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list now let's call it our top 5 list of

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classical skeptical topics well I guess

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much these days but it's up here but

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certainly most definitely homeopathy

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now skeptics and scientists have known

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for years that the claims of homeopathy

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are worthless it doesn't work because it

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cannot work it flies in the face of the

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known laws of physics it fails repeated

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proponents often resort to pseudoscience

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to the chagrin of skeptics homeopathy

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Center for inquiry in the United States

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the selling of homeopathy and now we

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read from their recent press release

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from the Center for inquiry at Center

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for inquiry org Walmart sued for fraud

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nation's largest retailer deceives and

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endangered customers with homeopathic

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fake medicine for immediate released May

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consumer fraud and endangering the

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health of its customers through its sale

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the Center for inquiry alleges in a

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lawsuit filed in the District of

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Columbia on May 20th CF I and

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online store misrepresenting homeopathy

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safety and efficacy and there is a link

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the official complaint CFI is currently

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general counsel quote searches on its

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retail power end quote homeopathy is an

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remedy like aspirin or flatly denounced

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science-based remedies and there is

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homeopathic products thinking that they

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homeopathy and the mere fact that you

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something that simply doesn't work is

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throw a lawsuit I can't get to that

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world but where CFI what we can get to

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to through this lawsuit is a world where

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if you're gonna sell homeopathy you put

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it in a separate section and you label

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it as homeopathy and you explain to

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customers what homeopathy is because I

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don't think most people even know what

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it is another good point you're

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absolutely right most people and I

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suspect most people who regularly buy it

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and use it are under a false impression

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that they're the classic thing is there

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is a tiny tiny portion of the substance

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in the pill and that's what the body's

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reacting to right and sometimes when you

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tell them that it has nothing in it

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they're surprised and they usually don't

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believe you no absolutely and I I've

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been dealing with your people

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journalists

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even scientists who when they hear this

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their responses will why are you trying

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to take away my herbal supplements right

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and it's no let's take a step back

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I'm not we can argue about the efficacy

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of vitamin supplements and of all these

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products but homeopathy is a very

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specific form of nonsense it's kind of

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the it's the the complete idiocy at the

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bottom of the pseudoscience barrel I

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like to call it the the Scientology of

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pseudoscience and yeah it's just

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complete garbage and people don't

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realize what they're buying and and if

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they did I don't think they'd spend the

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billions of dollars every year that they

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spend on it they think it's some they

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think of it as like a natural herbal

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remedy and it's very different because

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all the science says not only that this

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doesn't work but that it can't work

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there's no mechanism by which it can do

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anything to your buttock yeah and we've

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known of course we've been skeptical and

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then the scientific community have known

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this for years but the point about it

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being a billion-dollar industry is is a

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very important point because these

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companies are making vast amounts of

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money selling something which is

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virtually worthless it's it's it's a

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good trick if you can get away with it

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it's wonderful it's a business model I

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wish I'd thought of and also if I had no

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conscience whatsoever but no it's it's

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incredible I would love to see the the

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records of boy on the company in France

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that makes a seller cocoanut and just

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how many duck liver and hearts they have

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actually used to make this product

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because at a 10 to the 400 dilutions

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there's not a single trace of it in

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there so so over the years how many

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ducks have they actually had delivered

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to their manufacturing plant yep yeah I

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mean you go down a rabbit hole of

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absurdities with her

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and say that you know each pill can

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share the vibration of another pill that

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energy just goes on and on now the

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Center for inquiry also took two tasks

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the pharmacy chain one a huge pharmacy

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chain in the United States CVS what is

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the state of that particular action well

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we're 11 months into that at the moment

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and I'm very limited on what I can say

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on it but what I can tell you is that we

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are in discussions with CBS's attorneys

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those discussions have been productive

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we are trying to work out a mutually

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satisfactory situation whereby we can

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back away from the lawsuit but also that

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CVS then when it displays and markets

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homeopathic products does it in a way

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that isn't deceptive to consumers so

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we're talking to them we're hoping we

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can come to a settlement and honestly I

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hope we can come to a settlement with

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every retailer of these products yeah

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yeah I certainly hope so and if you can

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it certainly is a better option and

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protracted legal wrangling some quell

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cases exactly I mean I'm a I'm a one-man

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legal department there there is a limit

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to how much I can do and I know you

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Australians think we Americans sue at

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the drop of a hat on anything and you're

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actually not wrong in that yeah if it is

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always better if we can come to an

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amicable solution and to me any retailer

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that is worth its salt should want to

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give customers as much information about

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a product as they can yeah yeah and the

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thing is of course if it turns out that

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CVS and Walmart do display signs

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pointing out what homeopathy really is

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etc they all still be people who will

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walk in and buy the product regardless

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we know that absolutely absolutely and

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this is what I've said to to people all

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the time we can't change the law about

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whether this product is a

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not in this way but what we want to

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ensure is that everybody who walks into

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a store and buys homeopathy is buying it

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because they want to buy it not because

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they mistakenly yet that they that they

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are giving informed consent to yeah

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taking junk I I'm not even going to call

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it junk medicine because that includes

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the term medicine

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sugar pills yeah yeah it's it's one of

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the the classics of skepticism and it

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has been ever since I've been in the

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movement certainly it did it is and it's

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incredible that you know with still the

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business still necessary well what a

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fascinating and interesting development

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this is from the Center for inquiry

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nicholas little vice-president and

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general counsel for the Center for

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inquiry we will keep tabs on this story

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but for now thank you very much thank

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you

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saikhan 2019 people are finally starting

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to wake up anti-vaxxers denounced as a

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danger to the public

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climate change deniers exposed as

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ideological zealots celebrity psychics

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have been caught red-handed using

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trickery homeopathy debunked this fake

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medicine flat-earthers seriously

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skeptics must seize this moment now is

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the time for the brightest minds and

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science and reason to come together to

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turn the tide against pseudoscience

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conspiracy theories and alternative

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facts and naturally we should do it in

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Vegas it's more fun that way now is the

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time for psych on 2019 October the 16th

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to the 20th at the Flamingo resort in

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Las Vegas the incredible lineup of

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speakers includes actor John de Lancie

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of Star Trek and Breaking Bad Julia

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Sweeney of SNL and letting go of God

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string theory pioneer Brian Greene

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evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins

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ex naturopath Brittany Hermes and many

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more including entertainment by

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illusionist Banacek and comedian Liane

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[Music]

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and now we bring you another adventure

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from the annals of Australian skeptics

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the skeptic from spring 1999 almost 20

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years ago volume 19 number three and on

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page 59 the ghost tour of haunted

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melbourne by jane emka

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on Saturday July 10th 1999 three

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adventurous Victorian committee members

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Rose Mesquite's Bob Dixon and Jane

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Curtin embarked on a fascinating journey

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through quote Walden Melbourne inferred

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the tour was led by mr. drew Sinton Mel

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burns resident Ghostbuster and

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proprietor of the Haunted bookshop in

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McKillip Street who runs these

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inner-city ghost tours several times a

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week representatives of the Australian

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skeptics are not welcome in mr. Sinha's

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bookshop in fact he has violently

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declared his bookshop a skeptic free

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zone for this reason we kept a low

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profile

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rosemarie who had very diplomatically

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organized the tour brought along several

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colleagues and friends all of whom were

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sworn to secrecy about her sceptical

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activities Bob managed to keep his

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skeptical involvement a secret by waving

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his faithful dowsing stick under the

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nose of our satisfied and approving to

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Aleta and Jane who has had an

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unfortunate previous physical encounter

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with mr. Sinton adorned herself in a

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carefully selected disguise complete

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with purple hair gothic like makeup and

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a glittering black dress the tour

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commenced at 8 p.m. in the depths of the

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MacKillop Street bookshop with its red

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velvet curtains fake cobwebs incense

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burners sorcery and occult books plastic

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and rubber ghouls and spooks resident

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black live cat and taped harpsichord

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music the hoarded bookshop set the scene

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for the beginnings of a perilous ghostly

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adventure mr. Sinton was clad in a long

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black priest's frock coat and a matching

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large brimmed hat he claimed that his

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attire represented Mel burns most

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prolific ly sighted ghost presence

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apparently that of a priest his offsider

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ms angelica denton a former lawyer

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turned clairvoyant kept a fairly low

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profile however her qualifications in

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law were repeatedly mentioned by mr.

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Sinton as if to give credibility to her

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active interest in the occult you told

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us that miss Danton is currently the

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National Trust's unofficial clairvoyant

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and her side

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keek powers were truly special at no

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stage where we guaranteed that we would

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encounter a ghost but we were frequently

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provided with anecdotes of ghost

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sightings on recent tours we were told

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that in order to experience a ghost

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presence we needed to tuning to the

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right hemisphere of our brain which

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apparently controls our spiritual side

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and to ignore the logical thoughts

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generated by the left hemisphere we were

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not instructed how to do this and many

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of us clearly fail to ignore the logical

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thoughts that were consistently being

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processed

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mr. Sinton claimed that some people are

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clairvoyant they see apparitions samurai

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clairaudient they hear unexplained

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sounds but most are clear sentient they

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feel ghostly presence I was hoping that

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I would be clear everything but

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unfortunately this ambition was not

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realized upon leaving the bookshop we

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embarked on a theatrically narrated

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journey through deserted lanes and

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alleys abandoned buildings and popular

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clubs and pubs

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mr. Sinton delivered a commendable

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account of melbourne history he

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described the early days of melbourne

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discussing the important events which

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helped shape the city and pointing out

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the remains of the landmark buildings

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he claimed he knew of at least 50 ghosts

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in the CBD at central business district

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and had recorded countless sightings of

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these ghosts throughout the tour he

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frequently read snippets of articles

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from a large black folder his

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compilation of dossiers on Victorian

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ghosts one of our first significant

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stops was the Francis hotel built in

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1854 the third floor of this building

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now serving as the collision nightclub

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is apparently haunted by a ghost of a

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kitchen hand we were told that after a

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heated argument with his girlfriend the

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kitchen hand who was also a drug user

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overdosed on heroin fell through a

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dumbwaiter and finally met his death in

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a boiling bain-marie these days along

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with several present and past

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proprietors of the hotel who have

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witnessed the ghost many of Mister

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sentence tour participants allegedly

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00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:32,070
feel a sympathy pain in their right

552
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:34,590
forearm the site of the lethal

553
00:27:39,639 --> 00:27:37,350
intravenous injection nobody in our

554
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:39,649
particular party claimed to feel such a

555
00:27:46,639 --> 00:27:43,279
sympathy pain for me the most amusing

556
00:27:49,729 --> 00:27:46,649
haunted building was that of pug

557
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:49,739
Malone's Irish pub a meeting place of

558
00:27:54,739 --> 00:27:52,289
the Australian skeptics in Hardware

559
00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:54,749
Street according to our to a leader

560
00:28:01,489 --> 00:27:58,019
those comments seemed to be supported by

561
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:01,499
the very bemused pugs bouncer the taps

562
00:28:06,379 --> 00:28:03,149
in pug Malone's often leaked

563
00:28:08,379 --> 00:28:06,389
unexpectedly rosemary who investigated

564
00:28:10,849 --> 00:28:08,389
this particular claim after the tour

565
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:10,859
discovered he was actually referring to

566
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,129
the taps on the ice machine Bob

567
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:16,320
suggested that the presence of ice in

568
00:28:22,249 --> 00:28:18,809
such a machine means the presence of

569
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,259
frozen water this water would not flow

570
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,840
continually but probably melt and

571
00:28:29,470 --> 00:28:27,480
therefore occasionally leak particularly

572
00:28:32,989 --> 00:28:29,480
if the taps were not turned off properly

573
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:32,999
could such a logical explanation explain

574
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:36,659
the mysterious behavior of the tap mr.

575
00:28:42,499 --> 00:28:39,659
Sinton clearly enjoyed the irony of the

576
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:42,509
Australian skeptics meeting in a haunted

577
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,970
pub he took every opportunity to

578
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:46,980
criticise sceptics he made many

579
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,570
derogatory comments about the

580
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,299
organisation and its members he

581
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:53,580
correctly told us that pug Malone's

582
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,779
means kiss my ass in Gaelic but then he

583
00:29:01,759 --> 00:28:59,820
insinuated that members of the

584
00:29:03,979 --> 00:29:01,769
Australian skeptics were likely to uh

585
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,989
tur such a phrase if confronted with

586
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:05,279
believers in the occult

587
00:29:11,659 --> 00:29:08,700
he was also under the misinformed

588
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:11,669
impression that the organised skeptical

589
00:29:16,729 --> 00:29:13,769
group who meets that pug Malone's is

590
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:16,739
known as the Australian skeptics society

591
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:19,470
he took great delight in informing us

592
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:21,059
that the acronym for this organization

593
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,369
is ass I found it extremely difficult to

594
00:29:31,159 --> 00:29:28,559
refrain myself from pointing out that

595
00:29:33,999 --> 00:29:31,169
the acronym for the organization to

596
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:34,009
which he thought he was referring is

597
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:36,170
really just a

598
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:39,180
mr. Sinton also read a small snippet

599
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:41,250
from an article by Philip Adams one of

600
00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:42,840
the founding members of the Australian

601
00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:44,790
skeptics claiming that the author

602
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:46,800
himself had experienced a ghostly

603
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:49,830
encounter bob was very amused by this

604
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:52,470
tidbit and explained afterwards that he

605
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:54,570
was familiar with the original article

606
00:30:00,260 --> 00:29:57,710
and that mr. Sinton had blatantly

607
00:30:02,660 --> 00:30:00,270
misrepresented Philip Adams by reading

608
00:30:05,540 --> 00:30:02,670
only a small section of it the article

609
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:05,550
has made perfectly obvious by the words

610
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:07,650
in the final paragraph was clearly

611
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,590
intended to quote pull the legs in quote

612
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:13,080
of readers another interesting

613
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:16,170
haunted building was the old Carbon Co

614
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:19,410
building in little Lonsdale Street we

615
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:21,480
were told that this decrepit building

616
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:25,020
now used as a carpark was apparently the

617
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:27,450
site of a horrific ax murder several

618
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,140
years ago and that an evil ghost now reg

619
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,000
Lee lurks within its boundaries

620
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,120
according to mr. Sinton many car park

621
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:38,640
attendees and security guards have seen

622
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,250
a mysterious white light moving across

623
00:30:46,910 --> 00:30:44,070
the balcony most attendants have become

624
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:46,920
so frightened they refused to work in

625
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:47,550
the building

626
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,190
mr. Sinton also claimed that his tour

627
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,860
participants regularly experienced the

628
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:54,480
presence of a ghost in this particular

629
00:31:01,550 --> 00:30:57,890
place and he invited us to do the same

630
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:01,560
alas despite coaxing the spook to reveal

631
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,770
itself none of us saw heard or felt

632
00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:07,440
anything unusual we did however manage

633
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,230
to come up with likely explanations for

634
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:13,080
the unexplained light but we wisely

635
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:15,300
chose not to reveal those to mr. Sinton

636
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:17,790
who was clearly enjoying the dramatic

637
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:21,600
story he had unfolded other several

638
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,870
allegedly haunted sites were visited in

639
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,640
the course of the evening many of which

640
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:28,440
were buildings we were not able to enter

641
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:31,520
mr. Sinton pointed out the evil

642
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:34,530
significance of many of the haunted

643
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:37,740
addresses those digits often added up to

644
00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:42,090
13 for example 364 or 15

645
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:45,990
for example 276 according to mr. Sinton

646
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:49,830
13 is an unlucky number 4

647
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:52,230
one plus three equals four equates to

648
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:55,230
death in Chinese and 15 is the devil's

649
00:32:01,399 --> 00:31:58,200
own number always the Entertainer mister

650
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,409
Sinton described these types of facts as

651
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:03,600
well as the early history of melbourne

652
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:06,690
and its many ghosts with theatrical

653
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:09,330
aplomb his voice would slow down and

654
00:32:14,539 --> 00:32:12,330
soften to almost a whisper as he

655
00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:14,549
delivered the final words of each grisly

656
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,169
fact or story our very last haunted spot

657
00:32:24,229 --> 00:32:21,360
before a much-needed apparently non

658
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:24,239
haunted refreshment stop was the site of

659
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:27,299
the Queen Victoria Market where about

660
00:32:32,629 --> 00:32:30,539
five ghosts regularly haunt the market

661
00:32:34,639 --> 00:32:32,639
community the market was apparently

662
00:32:37,849 --> 00:32:34,649
built over Mel Byrnes first cemetery and

663
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:37,859
some 9,000 bodies are still buried

664
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:40,230
beneath its stalls this along with

665
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:42,690
numerous botched hangings which took

666
00:32:46,489 --> 00:32:44,340
place when the market was still a

667
00:32:49,609 --> 00:32:46,499
cemetery has allegedly caused the

668
00:32:52,009 --> 00:32:49,619
spirits to be restless and unhappy mr.

669
00:32:54,499 --> 00:32:52,019
Sinton delivered his account of hangings

670
00:32:57,229 --> 00:32:54,509
death and burials from a position

671
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:57,239
located directly under a beam from which

672
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:00,419
a lone hangman's noose was strategically

673
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:02,609
placed Bob offered to use his dowsing

674
00:33:08,749 --> 00:33:05,580
stick to locate a few buried persons and

675
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:08,759
restless spirits and his generous offer

676
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,369
was accepted most gratefully to our

677
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,440
disappointment however bob was unable to

678
00:33:18,859 --> 00:33:16,559
locate anything or anyone of interest

679
00:33:21,379 --> 00:33:18,869
the general consensus from the

680
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:21,389
participants in our tour group was that

681
00:33:26,539 --> 00:33:23,730
the three our ghost tour of Melbourne

682
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:26,549
was a great deal of fun and well worth

683
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:30,210
the money $20 per person $10 discounts

684
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:31,830
for parties greater than 10

685
00:33:35,899 --> 00:33:34,289
most of us felt that mr. Simpson's

686
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:35,909
knowledge of Melvin's history was

687
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:39,210
commendable and that his theatrics added

688
00:33:45,019 --> 00:33:41,299
to the general entertainment of the tour

689
00:33:48,259 --> 00:33:45,029
we were however disappointed in mr.

690
00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:48,269
centons constant derogatory remarks

691
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:50,249
about Australian skeptics particularly

692
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:52,289
as he claimed that skeptics in general

693
00:33:57,349 --> 00:33:55,049
are always welcome on his tours we found

694
00:34:01,820 --> 00:33:57,359
it amusing that mr. Sinton claimed that

695
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:01,830
any person is always the final arbiter

696
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,690
in a ghostly experience

697
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:05,940
and that advice and opinions from others

698
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:09,450
were simply not necessary quote what is

699
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,030
true for you may not be truth for

700
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:14,760
everyone in quote claimed Sinton he

701
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:16,710
summed up his negative opinion of

702
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,040
skepticism with the quote quote to a

703
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:23,520
believer no proof is necessary to a

704
00:34:29,899 --> 00:34:27,210
skeptic no proof is possible end quote

705
00:34:32,419 --> 00:34:29,909
needless to say Rosemarie Bob and I

706
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,429
wisely chose to keep our skeptical

707
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:35,220
involvement to ourselves at least at the

708
00:34:46,319 --> 00:34:42,960
and there's a bit more to that story

709
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:46,329
including a lengthy poem written by Rosa

710
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:49,990
Lee about the tour and you can read all

711
00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:53,950
that for yourself by going to WWF tix

712
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:55,990
comdata you following the link to the

713
00:35:09,670 --> 00:34:59,400
magazine and you'll find that story in

714
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:21,650
[Music]

715
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:25,920
Surf Coast spring skeptic am 2019 in

716
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:35,080
September CS CCS is Australia's

717
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:37,690
longest-running skeptic camp this year

718
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:41,460
we are celebrating our seventh year

719
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:43,810
skeptic camps are designed to give many

720
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:45,910
members the opportunity to briefly

721
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:48,130
twenty to thirty minutes present on a

722
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:50,680
topic of their choice skeptic camps have

723
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:53,290
been run in hundreds of locations and in

724
00:36:01,740 --> 00:35:55,090
many countries since the first one was

725
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:01,750
held in 2007 in Denver the event will be

726
00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:04,930
at aireys inlet and idyllic township

727
00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:09,340
located on the Victorian surf coast come

728
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:11,500
down for the day or make it a weekend by

729
00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:13,300
staying a night or two in the region

730
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:15,940
either way just feel free to enjoy the

731
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:19,359
location and the views at the end of the

732
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:21,940
day we adjourn to the Aries pub for a

733
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:24,130
drink a bite to eat and of course

734
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:28,089
sceptical discussion it's free to

735
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:30,040
register but we will ask for about ten

736
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:32,230
dollars to cover the cost of lunch on

737
00:36:36,839 --> 00:36:34,420
the day financial support will be

738
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:36,849
provided by dr. McVeigh grounder of the

739
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:39,460
event and the Victorian skeptics and the

740
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:46,910
that south coast spring skeptic camp for

741
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,850
2019 on the 14th of September from 10

742
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:53,520
a.m. to 4 p.m. at the aireys inlet

743
00:36:59,330 --> 00:36:56,760
community hall for more information just

744
00:37:01,940 --> 00:36:59,340
google surf coast of spring skeptic camp

745
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:01,950
or follow the links in this week's show

746
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:11,430
[Music]

747
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:16,049
here's Maynard spooky action at a

748
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:21,450
right here we are on the political beat

749
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,500
cub reporter may not hear for the

750
00:37:27,089 --> 00:37:25,839
amazing skeptical zone and because we

751
00:37:28,859 --> 00:37:27,099
right now with the political zone right

752
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:28,869
now and we're here in the Maynard

753
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:31,690
international studios annex where we see

754
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:33,210
Richard Saunders looking perplexed

755
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:38,260
Maynard I am looking perplexed I am well

756
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:39,460
the whole country is a bit perplexed

757
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,770
because you may have heard that we had

758
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:44,099
not in the federal election and the

759
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:46,750
conservative ruling Conservative Party

760
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:51,040
got up in one much to the surprise of

761
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:53,410
many people it was widely expected that

762
00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:55,510
the opposition Labour Party would have

763
00:38:00,210 --> 00:37:57,849
won yet the polling was all wrong bit

764
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:00,220
like bricks a bit like Trump but I

765
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:01,390
thought the Labour Party would fall

766
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:02,829
across the line when a bit of a thud

767
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:05,800
just but no they fell before they got

768
00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:07,450
there and you know and I voted for the

769
00:38:12,329 --> 00:38:11,140
pirate party and they did okay but they

770
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:12,339
didn't get a seat anywhere a bit

771
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:14,290
disappointed I mean I really wanted to

772
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,450
see the pirate flag flying above a

773
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:19,359
Capitol Hill there on in Australia but

774
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:20,710
we have there's a party you were

775
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,670
particular interested in from the

776
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,680
sceptical there's a sceptical point of

777
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:26,560
view there was a science party which was

778
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,630
in a number of states and they did okay

779
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,550
in the City of Sydney where I was there

780
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:32,640
I think they got 5,000 votes they came a

781
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:35,260
distant fourth but they did better than

782
00:38:39,809 --> 00:38:38,020
the the Christian Democratic Party they

783
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:39,819
beat them in in this seat of the Sydney

784
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:42,250
but what was this party in the Senate

785
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:43,750
you were looking at now the party we are

786
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:45,609
interested in reporting on at the moment

787
00:38:51,569 --> 00:38:49,230
is a ragtag collection of more or less

788
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,579
anti-vaxxers and natural medicine they

789
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:53,440
called themselves the involuntary

790
00:39:00,510 --> 00:38:57,250
medication objectors party in comas

791
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,520
vaccine vaccination fluoride party or I

792
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:02,740
mop they're calling ourselves I'm up and

793
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,990
they were running candidates for the

794
00:39:09,809 --> 00:39:07,920
Senate seat which is the upper house and

795
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:09,819
you were involved in the election

796
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:12,700
Maynard you were a scrutineer oh no no I

797
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:14,470
wasn't a scrutiny scrutinies from the

798
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:16,300
political parties and they check the

799
00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:19,030
votes after they've done I was a very

800
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:22,329
ordinary vote issuing officer I was

801
00:39:24,839 --> 00:39:23,650
actually an ordinary vote issuing

802
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:24,849
officer but I was a very ordinary

803
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:27,310
because I can't alphabetize anybody so

804
00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:29,290
someone comes say my name starts with Q

805
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:31,000
and I just start looking at a and just

806
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:31,970
work my way through was

807
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:33,590
slow but I was how I was handing out

808
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:36,290
votes and let me it's great like a lot

809
00:39:39,849 --> 00:39:37,400
of people saying why can't we be like

810
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,859
the Americans and just have this done by

811
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:41,599
computer and I said why there's a bit

812
00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:43,430
easier to hack an election if you put

813
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:44,420
something in a computer isn't a

814
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:47,810
conspiracy theory but but as we can see

815
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:51,050
here we're looking at the ABC the

816
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:53,030
national broadcast to have a handy

817
00:39:58,359 --> 00:39:55,010
reference site you can see the latest

818
00:40:01,540 --> 00:39:58,369
count counting of every candidate so we

819
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,550
can look and see currently 56% of the

820
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:03,200
Senate vote in Australia has been

821
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:05,750
counted so far and we can see from this

822
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:07,190
one this is just New South Wales looking

823
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:11,410
at here that the the anti-vaxxer

824
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,510
3452 first preference votes which means

825
00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:17,119
someone put them one on that that's a

826
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:18,500
three thousand four hundred and fifty

827
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:20,090
two people in New South Wales put them

828
00:40:22,830 --> 00:40:21,710
first and I bet you most of them would

829
00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:22,840
have come from the mid-north coast

830
00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:25,580
although or the north coast of the far

831
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,080
north coast we probably tell them

832
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:29,359
so it's interesting gives you some

833
00:40:33,609 --> 00:40:32,270
statistics obviously they didn't get a

834
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:33,619
seat I mean there are a lot of parties

835
00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:35,500
and they're way way down the list

836
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:38,420
they're just above the party called

837
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:41,830
others and he the citizens electric

838
00:40:48,609 --> 00:40:45,070
electorial Council a Socialist Equality

839
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:48,619
Party and other people are lower than

840
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:52,250
them but most parties are above them got

841
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:53,960
more votes including Socialist Alliance

842
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:56,119
for example what the socials alliance

843
00:40:59,410 --> 00:40:57,770
they've been a socialist party in New

844
00:41:01,660 --> 00:40:59,420
South Wales for quite some time the

845
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:01,670
socialist equity party they had a real

846
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:03,290
great platform I actually thought they

847
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:04,220
were pretty interesting because the

848
00:41:08,349 --> 00:41:06,080
Socialist Alliance is interested in

849
00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:08,359
nationalizing a lot of the industry and

850
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:11,780
also the banks by buying them out and

851
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:13,490
giving the market value but I think the

852
00:41:19,329 --> 00:41:15,890
socialist equity party were kind of you

853
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:19,339
know more like seizing the assets which

854
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:21,800
I was a big fan of actually I don't know

855
00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:22,700
how that would have gone in the high

856
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:26,150
court but they were certainly to the

857
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:28,250
left of the Socialist Alliance didn't

858
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,720
think that was possible but if you're

859
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:31,520
looking at percentages the the ante VAX

860
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:35,540
party got two point one saying on 0.1%

861
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:38,030
of the first preference vote in New

862
00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:40,760
South Wales yep let's try Victoria for

863
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:43,460
example we can see how the votes were in

864
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:45,320
that state

865
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:46,660
just clicking through the website now

866
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,670
scroll right down and where are they

867
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:51,710
we're gonna look for them now I know man

868
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:53,270
health Australia party that's a

869
00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:55,430
different uh uh maybe they didn't have

870
00:42:03,490 --> 00:41:57,620
any candidates in Victoria because see

871
00:42:05,590 --> 00:42:03,500
they had any Democrat social animal

872
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:05,600
justice I think there was the help end

873
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:08,090
marijuana prohibition party the hemp

874
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,360
party which actually didn't do too bad

875
00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:14,000
they actually they got one point six

876
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:15,950
percent of the of the primary vote there

877
00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:19,250
which isn't too bad for ya smoke if you

878
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:21,350
gottem let's try Queensland for this I

879
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,470
mop party the anti-vaccination party

880
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:26,480
scrolling right there yeah there they

881
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:26,630
are

882
00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:30,230
and the total votes so far first people

883
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:33,640
an addicted number one in Queensland

884
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,140
4437 so they did better in Queensland

885
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:38,000
but at the moment but there's two are

886
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:40,510
still right down there is the bottom the

887
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:44,090
Western Australia now it's W a a big

888
00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:45,950
auntie vac state because whenever our

889
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:47,360
people are talking about it in Australia

890
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,680
they tend to talk about the mid-north

891
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:50,720
coast of New South Wales its parts of

892
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:52,550
every state have their aunty vac Spock

893
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:55,550
that's I think and here we go and in the

894
00:43:02,140 --> 00:42:58,760
state of Western Australia we've got

895
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:02,150
total votes so far 2518 this is where

896
00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:05,780
while Eamon was a candidate and skeptic

897
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:07,940
zone listeners may remember her for her

898
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:10,490
questionable PhD from the University of

899
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:15,350
Wollongong got the strike yes now where

900
00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:17,240
to set like is an area of South

901
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:18,980
Australia's particularly aunty VAX I

902
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:20,180
guess you have to look at the area that

903
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:22,490
they may CIL's outbreaks my okay it's a

904
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:24,770
good indication where they are but again

905
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:26,180
I didn't doesn't look like they're

906
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:27,950
running a candidate and that's good on

907
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:29,390
South Australia where which was one of

908
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:30,710
the first states in Australia to

909
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:32,830
decriminalize having some marijuana and

910
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:35,600
they the hemp party got two point one

911
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:37,010
percent the vote they were good on you

912
00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:38,390
they're good on your hemp party let's

913
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:40,670
try now don't know two Northern

914
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:43,010
Territory probably not know although the

915
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:44,510
hemp paddy got three point seven percent

916
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,050
of the vote very rise up Australia there

917
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:52,880
we go this good or right-wing the

918
00:43:56,980 --> 00:43:54,250
Breitling action there from them

919
00:43:58,930 --> 00:43:56,990
Tasmania let's have a look you get up

920
00:44:02,079 --> 00:43:58,940
okay here eyes at Bo

921
00:44:04,809 --> 00:44:02,089
their shoes officious farmers liberals

922
00:44:10,569 --> 00:44:04,819
as a result and no it doesn't look like

923
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:10,579
there's an eye mop party i mop no no not

924
00:44:14,799 --> 00:44:13,670
okay so that's you know one we haven't

925
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:14,809
looked at as the acct

926
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:17,240
with a quick ICT where it is actually

927
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,849
legal to have a bit of him so I don't

928
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:21,440
know if that bother running the him now

929
00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:24,740
doesn't bother him so overall not a huge

930
00:44:30,299 --> 00:44:27,740
I think we had the month was round about

931
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,309
10,000 votes nationally yeah and again

932
00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:32,480
we're not finished I mean they haven't

933
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:33,859
finished counting all the votes so

934
00:44:36,849 --> 00:44:35,480
probably every party will probably get a

935
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:36,859
few more votes before that all

936
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:38,510
accounting is out to the hemp party

937
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:43,190
particularly but I'm up as they called

938
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:45,490
themselves well looks like they're um

939
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:48,049
what's a joke we can use the word mop in

940
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:50,930
it that they thought that would wipe the

941
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:55,160
floor but but they didn't and he's an

942
00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:56,890
amusing amusing story from being an

943
00:45:02,140 --> 00:44:59,180
electoral official on Saturday um

944
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:02,150
someone actually came back and asked if

945
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:04,430
they could change their vote oh really

946
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:06,200
yeah they'd already put the ballot in

947
00:45:09,819 --> 00:45:08,420
the ballot box and they came back later

948
00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:09,829
and they want to change their vote

949
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:11,900
because they think they can't remember

950
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:13,849
if they numbered enough numbers below

951
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:16,700
the line or not so that would have if

952
00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:18,170
you really want to do that that means

953
00:45:22,029 --> 00:45:19,880
you would have to open the ballot box

954
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:22,039
which is illegal to start with go

955
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:24,410
through there and find what they thought

956
00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:28,190
was their ballot market is spoiled and

957
00:45:33,010 --> 00:45:30,500
then I assure them on another one to

958
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:33,020
vote and no there's so many wrong things

959
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:36,230
about that I think so mmm there was a

960
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,150
guy that came in with a postal vote but

961
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:39,680
it turned out to be a postal vote for

962
00:45:44,529 --> 00:45:41,450
the new south wales election that was

963
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:44,539
six months ago I said I don't think your

964
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:45,710
votes gonna change the government at

965
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:47,270
this point well there you go that's the

966
00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:48,710
state of play at the moment in the

967
00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:51,079
recent election again a surprise result

968
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:52,520
generally speaking according to the

969
00:45:57,069 --> 00:45:54,680
people who take the polls but it's good

970
00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:57,079
to see that the imop is may not said

971
00:46:00,579 --> 00:45:58,730
they've been wiped off or the floor has

972
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:00,589
been wiped with them and they'd haven't

973
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,490
got a single Senate seat hmm but to get

974
00:46:10,510 --> 00:46:05,839
a single Senate seat you have to have

975
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:10,520
about 450 1000 votes nationally so they

976
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:12,320
were far from it as were many other

977
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:15,890
parties and just by strange chance we

978
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,810
just noticed that Brian Dunning is

979
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:22,640
messaging us him again him again let's

980
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:24,140
see if we can put him in the

981
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,990
conversation I guess on Skype fire audio

982
00:46:37,570 --> 00:46:31,970
we have Brian Dunning who's wearing his

983
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:37,580
own t-shirt this whole thing I just

984
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:39,290
happened to have on how things going

985
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:47,810
there in the Dunning ranch oh okay

986
00:47:03,580 --> 00:46:49,640
actually what's your latest skeptoid

987
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:06,340
I actually saw a post on Facebook here

988
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:08,900
recently in Australia that 5g is being

989
00:47:12,850 --> 00:47:11,180
able to control people's minds actually

990
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:12,860
which is a new one I hadn't seen that

991
00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:26,870
one yeah you catch Brian the right time

992
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:29,000
and I'd he'll agree with anything now

993
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:30,290
the reason that we want to have a quick

994
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:31,910
chat with you Brian is I noticed you

995
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:33,500
sent me a message a little while ago

996
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:36,110
saying that Australia seems to have had

997
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,300
a strange moment like the United States

998
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:40,160
did in 2016 where everybody predicted

999
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:42,830
the election result wrong what's your

1000
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:52,340
skeptical take on this yeah and also

1001
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:53,750
there was there was a lot of people

1002
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:55,640
saying that the the Labour Party took

1003
00:47:59,710 --> 00:47:57,410
were taking an overly complicated

1004
00:48:01,570 --> 00:47:59,720
platform to the electorate and they

1005
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:01,580
weren't constant and they weren't they

1006
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:03,500
were giving too much weight to climate

1007
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:04,970
change where people who work in the

1008
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:06,830
mining areas were more interested in

1009
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:14,410
their jobs that people can take a

1010
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:17,150
question like that which is basically I

1011
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,560
mean it's a measurement of the

1012
00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:20,450
environment it's not something that you

1013
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:22,220
can get wrong or there's something that

1014
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:24,730
has in the ideology behind it

1015
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:27,970
and yet people will either accept that

1016
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:31,900
measurement or they will reject what's

1017
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:33,880
black and white facts in front of their

1018
00:48:40,590 --> 00:48:37,270
face based on their job or based on

1019
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:40,600
their their political leaning it's it's

1020
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:43,660
completely fascinating to me I mean I I

1021
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:47,290
can still I can exist in a world where

1022
00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:49,390
there are things that I don't like or

1023
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:52,060
that that I disagree with and I can

1024
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:56,710
acknowledge that they exist so why are

1025
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:00,400
so many people who work in the fossil

1026
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:03,370
fuel industry why are they unwilling to

1027
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:05,110
admit that this thing right in front of

1028
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:10,090
their face exists it's a mad abstract

1029
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:11,980
matter of employment in some areas of

1030
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:13,840
Queensland that is one of the best jobs

1031
00:49:17,850 --> 00:49:16,060
going and you would like to either have

1032
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:17,860
that job in the future or continue to

1033
00:49:27,810 --> 00:49:25,660
have the one you want I could work in

1034
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:27,820
any field in the world and there are

1035
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:30,850
things I acknowledge the fact that there

1036
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:33,460
are influences in the world that are

1037
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:36,490
positive for my industry and influences

1038
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,080
that are negative for my industry I

1039
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,420
think anyone any intelligent person

1040
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,160
would acknowledge that no matter what it

1041
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:45,040
is you do for a living so why are they

1042
00:49:51,930 --> 00:49:49,180
simply refusing to accept that this

1043
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:51,940
influence exists that is negative for

1044
00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:54,340
their industry because people don't do

1045
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:56,560
that in my experience well I mentioned

1046
00:50:00,090 --> 00:49:58,510
parts of Pennsylvania would have swung

1047
00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:00,100
to trump because of his support of the

1048
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:10,180
fossil fuel industry these people deny

1049
00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:12,670
what's right in front of their face when

1050
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,030
it's perfectly acceptable to say gee

1051
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:18,760
this is unfortunate it's too bad this is

1052
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:20,680
bad for my industry and it's bad for my

1053
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:24,970
job but it it certainly does exist well

1054
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:26,290
what do you think about this Richard do

1055
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:28,180
think Brian's in his ivory tower there

1056
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,810
or what oh yes Brian's always been in an

1057
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:33,280
ivory tower ever since I've known him

1058
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:35,290
but it sounds like Brian it could be a

1059
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:47,010
stray well that's true yeah I mean yeah

1060
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:48,160
because people beat you over the head

1061
00:51:04,350 --> 00:50:56,580
am accused on a daily basis of being an

1062
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:06,270
well Brian why we've got you what's the

1063
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:08,230
latest update on your documentary

1064
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,500
science friction so we've scheduled the

1065
00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:12,880
first screening for science friction

1066
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:14,920
which is going to be in Las Vegas in

1067
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:17,530
October it's going to be right after the

1068
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:21,280
saikhan conference ends you can walk

1069
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:23,110
from one conference room into the next

1070
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:26,320
and you can see science friction you can

1071
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:28,410
get tickets with mad at science friction

1072
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,710
TV so that's going to be we expect the

1073
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:34,000
film's going to be completely finished

1074
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:35,500
by the end there's a chance that it's

1075
00:51:42,690 --> 00:51:40,720
going to be a not 100% completed rough

1076
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:42,700
cut or work print but I'm pretty

1077
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:43,690
confident that it's going to be

1078
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:45,940
completely done and how many people have

1079
00:51:57,090 --> 00:51:54,910
you spoken to for it we have more way

1080
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:57,100
more footage of course then then we can

1081
00:52:01,950 --> 00:51:59,130
use we're already

1082
00:52:04,110 --> 00:52:01,960
we're already refining the concept of

1083
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:04,120
what it's a voucher having to kind of

1084
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:06,340
we're able to we have so much footage

1085
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:08,710
with people talking about our main

1086
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:10,570
subject which is of course scientists

1087
00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:12,610
being misquoted and edited out of

1088
00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:15,070
context in order to make it sound like

1089
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:17,860
yes aliens did build the pyramids well

1090
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:20,140
he did did you get to talk to George

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Steele Locke is the guy with the big

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really refined the footage that we got

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that we've got because we have so much

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of it and it's gonna be it's gonna be a

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really nice tight production and does

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ancient aliens feature in some of the

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dialogue I mean we're not trying to go

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after a network or

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show or a person we're trying to go

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after a practice is it it's an unethical

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and harmful practice that that we're

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00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:02,680
trying to expose and it's a it's a

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practice that can be done by anyone it's

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certainly not unique to any one network

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or any one TV show it happens way too

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often kind of throughout the industry at

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this this whole practice of this this

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unethical editing out of context and

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misquoting oh yes because it happens on

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well on lifestyle programs reality

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programs politically it's always gone on

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yeah absolutely it's it's rampant

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throughout the industry our focus is

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when it happens to scientists to make it

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00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:36,910
sound like they're promoting a a false

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alternative universe my whole life right

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00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,280
now it's a fascinating process it's what

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00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:46,480
I haven't done before it's something

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00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:49,120
that Emory is of course very and Brian

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00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:50,590
of course people can still help out the

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00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:54,360
project by visiting science fiction TV

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00:54:01,050 --> 00:53:58,170
yeah the project is crowdfunded and

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00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:01,060
while we've got enough we're certainly

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00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:02,440
going to finish the film with the funds

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that we've got on hand but what we're

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00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:06,640
trying to do with it is where we want to

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get hopefully a theatrical release at

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least a limited theatrical release but

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at least get it onto Netflix Amazon

1130
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:15,670
Prime and services like this people can

1131
00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:17,290
buy themselves into the entertainment

1132
00:54:23,130 --> 00:54:19,780
industry by buying an executive producer

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00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:23,140
credit or if you're very well-heeled you

1134
00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:25,750
can even become an actual producing

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00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:27,460
studio with a title card at the

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00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:29,290
beginning the film that makes it look

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00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:31,900
like you're a famous Hollywood studio so

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00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:33,850
all of that's available at science

1139
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:35,980
fiction TV and anyone who wants to help

1140
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:37,390
with the film and who agrees that it's

1141
00:54:40,590 --> 00:54:39,190
an important service if the world needs

1142
00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:40,600
check it out

1143
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:41,860
yep and then you can have the other ones

1144
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:44,440
in fun science friction - there's the

1145
00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:51,900
rub well thanks for in an impromptu

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00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:55,030
interview Brian and hope to catch up

1147
00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:57,580
with you soon yeah yeah and I still

1148
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,080
reckon there his Japanese gold in the

1149
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:00,880
Philippines you were wrong wrong wrong

1150
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:04,950
and he wrong Dunning yeah

1151
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:06,300
I'm gonna get my shovel and go there

1152
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:11,280
right now thanks Brian thank you guys

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00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,270
hi I'm Darren McKee one of the hosts of

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1155
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:28,940
and I explore a range of controversies

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00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:30,530
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00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,030
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1162
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:41,270
then keep an open mind but not so open

1163
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:53,690
your brain falls out now here's

1164
00:55:56,530 --> 00:55:54,830
something that was brought to my

1165
00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:56,540
attention published in our local

1166
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:00,020
newspaper in the part of Sydney I live

1167
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:02,750
in generally called the inner west and

1168
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:05,450
this was in the local newspaper the you

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00:56:14,110 --> 00:56:08,630
know West courier published on the 14th

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00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:14,120
of May 2019 Council to declare anti VAX

1171
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:16,700
war a story by Mitchell Van home right

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00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:22,510
in West Council is preparing to ban

1173
00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:25,610
anti-vaxxer motors from using rate payer

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00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:28,040
funded venues to spread their crackpot

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00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,650
theories the council will debate this

1176
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:33,680
week if it should quote prohibit known

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00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:36,050
anti vaccine errs from hiring or

1178
00:56:40,930 --> 00:56:38,630
accessing council venues for the purpose

1179
00:56:43,780 --> 00:56:40,940
of anti vaccination promotion in quote

1180
00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:43,790
Labour councillor and New York a mother

1181
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:46,280
of two young boys put forward the motion

1182
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:49,730
quote I have friends who have young kids

1183
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,220
and I'm a member of a few mothers groups

1184
00:56:55,780 --> 00:56:55,280
there is a heightened sense of worry end

1185
00:57:01,360 --> 00:56:55,790
quote

1186
00:57:03,790 --> 00:57:01,370
make a clear position on the miss truths

1187
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:03,800
and misinformation spread by auntie vac

1188
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:06,650
spokespeople we do not want to let this

1189
00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:08,930
false information be spread it honestly

1190
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:11,060
puts little babies lives at risk

1191
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:14,660
unquote as well as banning anti-vaxxers

1192
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,940
from council owned facilities it would

1193
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:19,520
also promote free immunization services

1194
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:22,070
such as the one offered at ashfield

1195
00:57:26,890 --> 00:57:24,530
Civic Center New South Wales health data

1196
00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:26,900
shows vaccination rates in the inner

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:30,980
west vary with 94.8% of one-year-olds

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00:57:35,859 --> 00:57:33,730
fully vaccinated in Marrickville and

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00:57:39,249 --> 00:57:35,869
94.9% in

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00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:39,259
I cut greens counselor Lois steer is

1201
00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:41,690
confident her party will support the

1202
00:57:52,059 --> 00:57:47,749
motion and I will be keeping an eye out

1203
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:52,069
to see whether there is a backlash to to

1204
00:58:10,260 --> 00:57:52,910
this report

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00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,790
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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:09,460
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1213
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:13,010
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00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,900
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1232
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:18,240
hello the afterthoughts the people who

1233
01:00:27,570 --> 01:00:24,000
listen after the music and while some

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:27,580
jet plane some airliner flies overhead

1235
01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:29,050
to land at Sydney Airport or are they

1236
01:00:34,050 --> 01:00:31,420
taking off I'm not sure maybe they're

1237
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:34,060
about to spray naughty chemtrails I have

1238
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:39,420
to die scared to die to die sir today

1239
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,210
I'm from Las Vegas from the South Point

1240
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:46,960
Casino I bought or 10 years ago I guess

1241
01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:51,430
at one of the amazing meetings so I'm

1242
01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:55,060
going to roll them both and I want you

1243
01:00:59,760 --> 01:00:57,430
to use your psychic magic predicting

1244
01:01:03,120 --> 01:00:59,770
looking into the future of house to

1245
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:03,130
predict what numbers will come up so

1246
01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:04,890
like playing craps I guess here we go

1247
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:10,030
we'll do this three times and the first

1248
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:15,640
two numbers are 1 & 2 1 & 2

1249
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:18,790
how about that okay here we go again in

1250
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:23,530
theoretically the most common number the

1251
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:25,630
total would be 7 1 there yeah okay here

1252
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:34,530
the next numbers are 2 & 2 2 1 & 2 & 2 &

1253
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:37,660
2 here's your predicting power last time